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      I hate “news” like this… It’s a waste of time.

      One person on Twitter saying something turns into “Twitter says…”

      Politician say x in normal pointless conversation and it turns into “democrats/politicians say…”

      And people feverishly eat it up.

      Our society is fucked.

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    We need exercise our second amendment and the citizens need to arrest

    Elon Musk, Donald Trump, JD Vance, Pete Hegseth, Clarence Thomas, Big Balls and associated hacker coup, Peter Theil, Tulsi Gabbard, John Roberts, Jared Kushner, Steve Miller, Brett Kavanaugh and all January 6th rioters

    I think that would be a good start

  • @prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Fucking do it already. His approval ratings are pretty low right now (billionaire approval ratings, fucking gross), so I feel like MAGA might not come to his defense this time.

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      I feel like MAGA might not come to his defense this time.

      Hope this isn’t wishful thinking. Trump thinks his son is a l33t hacker for being able to turn a laptop on. Musk on the other hand owns a major social media platform and has access to skilled technicians and programmers, as well as huge server farms which he doubtless uses to analyse voter behaviour and find the weak points where efforts should be focused in order to have most impact on electoral choices.

      Trump certainly understands how essential to the disinfo effort Musk is, even though it’s way beyond the grasp of your average MAGA. IMO Trump is not going to abandon Musk in a hurry.

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        Maybe. But on the other hand, throwing anyone and everyone under the bus to save his own ass has been Trump’s MO for decades…

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      Fucking do it already

      Laws are for little people. Nobody in Wisconsin is going to green light this, because nobody has the chutzpah to inconvenience a billionaire.

      I feel like MAGA might not come to his defense this time

      MAGA isn’t the problem. Corporate media and the Trump AG are the problem.

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          I often felt from context it was closer to “hubris”, as “cajones” might just mean brave.

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            Hubris means ‘overvalued confidence’ I believe. Whereas cajones etc is just stubborn confidence. Similar, but importantly different.

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              Would you mind explaining how chutzpah and hubris differ please? I’m not sure I get it.

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                Hubris is a kind of boastful pride–like a sense of invulnerability. It also implies a kind of dramatic irony, that this sense of invulnerability will eventually prove false. (The term comes from ancient Greek theater, where it’s often the Heroic Flaw that will eventually be the undoing of the tragic hero.)

                Chutzpah is more…audacity, nerve, gall. A person with chutzpah doesn’t believe they can’t be harmed; they’re just willing to bald-face it out in the hopes you won’t actually call them on it. In English it can have a positive connotation, the way “cojones” tends to, but it can also have a negative connotation, like “cheek” or “gall.” It comes from Yiddish, where apparently it’s more uniformly negative. (Leave it to us Americans to interpret a condemnation of shameless effrontery as somehow laudatory.)

                I guess I would say the key difference is that someone with hubris thinks they are invulnerable, whereas a person with chutzpah is aware they are vulnerable and absolutely refusing to act like it.

                They’re definitely kind of related, but they just have really different feels to them

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                  Thank you that’s good to know. I wasn’t aware of any positive affiliation with it. I’ll bear it in mind moving forward :)

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                  Ah that’s interesting, I had thought of it more negatively. It’s not a common word where I am, so my knowledge has been gleaned from American media, mostly.

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      They’ll defend him because if he goes to prison that is now a can of worms they cannot close, the slippery slope they fear the most is society actually putting these people in prison

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    Feel like this title should’ve been Wisconsin Demands Arrest of… Because holy shit my heart skipped a beat to think something might change :(

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        You actually got me there, I had to google his mother’s name thinking this is the worst prank from the universe ever.

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    Americans…why are you just allowing this to happen to your country, like what’s it going to take for you people to actually do something?

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      We’re slaves living paycheck to paycheck and nobody cares about each other.

      This system will collapse before we hold rich white men accountable

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      We’re pretty conditioned to obey. Like, you can be a rebel and insult people or be racist or sexist or “anti-social,” but you go to work and pay your bills. We’re also, mostly, in debt up to our eyeballs the stress of which gives a powerful myopia. Average Americans are way poorer than tv would have you think.

      Thirty percent of the population doesn’t even bother to vote as they’ve basically given up, maybe for one of the reasons above or maybe because the government has little to do with day to day life, or maybe something else.

      There’s also like a third of the population that is super happy about these developments. It the most amazing thing to have a king again and get back to how things are supposed to be.

      There’s also a sort of general American optimism that is super persistent: if you do good, then it’ll be ok. We’re hyper individualized. Do the best you can with what you have. Don’t put anyone out, or depend on anyone else.

      Unfortunately, things will have to get a lot worse to motivate us.

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      I’ll express from someone living in a red state. The fuck am I going to do? I’m over half a thousand miles away from the state he’s fucking with, and he’s probably not there most of the time and again thousands of miles over, with all the power of money to get him wherever the fuck he wants to go vs my little car.

      So build up support. A third of this country voted for this, and a third of this country sat out. So you’ve got a third that’s actively angry about this, but scattered literal thousands of miles across the country. Kinda hard to gather to this. Sure we gather to protest but this administration isn’t going to give two shits about it, this entire situation is proving that. But gathering and protesting IS the power we have so we’re doing that. Unfortunately the cameras aren’t on that because the people supporting this are the ones with the media.

      As someone put it, most of us are slaves to our paychecks, living on the barest margin of survivability, and that’s been the way for decades. Y’all get to see the chest thumping “America is the greatest place!” but lets be honest, most of us are so disaffected that what we’re watching is the horror of a monster taking over, but the country we were raised in and told to love there will be very little sadness when its gone, just sadness for how evil it will become. But that living paycheck to paycheck means in order for me to go somewhere where I can maybe put up resistance because right now I’m surrounded by people who support this… and these are the people who have been arming up in ready for a war for years… would be to uproot completely, and even the bluest of blue states would happily let me die in a gutter if I don’t have job. So either I stay and support people who will be hurt when it gets worse, or I become at best a martyr, or at worst, another statistic that the news may not even bother reporting.

      The answers will vary, but why are we allowing this to happen? I’ll say my answer, some of us have been fighting this for years, over a decade since the Tea Party got mad that a black man was president, have been struggling to change the trajectory of this ship away from the iceberg. But I’ve seen the people of my country as a whole grab the wheel, lock the door and say it’s their god given right to drive into the iceberg. So at this point in the analogy I’m just gathering life preservers and making sure people have them on even as many of them will tell me the ship is unsinkable.

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      I was surprised by the number of people who showed up to my local Tesla dealership to protest. It hurts his pocket book indirectly, but it’s something.

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        @Eruanna @Elkot I’ve been following the #TeslaTakedown stuff with interest - some of the protests seem to be enormous. Hopefully it is inviting people to dip their toe in the water, meet some fellow pissed off people, start organising, be visibly against what’s happening… It all matters.

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      Most people in US just stare at their phone all day so they’re probably fucked

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          The bread and circuses plan from Rome worked.

          Might get interesting when DOGE removes the bread for a lot of people.

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          I would say it started with mass adoption of iPhone. When I go to states I’m amazed that literally everyone is just looking at their phone, big headphones on, hood up, XXL sweatpants. It’s like human interaction ain’t allowed anymore lmao

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      This take is so boring. There are protests and even direct action all across the States. We’re just getting started. You need to change your media sources if you’re not hearing about what’s going on.

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      Easier if the country was the size of something like France. But when you have to clear a thousand miles just to arrive at the halfway point in the US. It’s hard to show massive protests.

  • @Formfiller@lemmy.world
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    A billionaire is never going to suffer a real consequence in America. That’s why we’re so screwed in the first place

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    This!

    Then aggressively review his widely known to be fraudulently obtained American citizenship, seize his American assets including his companies, and send him back to South Africa.

  • @sebastian@lemmy.ca
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    This situation has killed democracy in the world, showing it’s worst downside: It’s ability to self destroy.

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      IDK if it killed democracy because it can fail. Almost all systems of government have failed.

      The only one that hadn’t (yet) is democracy.

      Not sure why anyone would be surprised that democracy has a best before date…

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    state charges too, Trump cant pardon those. Maybe thats the answer for republican law breakers, move all the federal laws to the state books. (Or maybe thats a bad idea, I’m not a lawyer)

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      This is a great idea. Moving everything from the Feds to the states is a core conservative value, so they should welcome this.

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        They care about this as much as they care about proper handling of classified information

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          They’ll care plenty when their representatives start getting tossed in state penitentiaries, where they can’t be pardoned.

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            Lol yeah, right

            Rule of law for fascists does not apply in fascism buddy

            You literally have a convicted felon as president

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              States are different from Federal. If a blue state incarcerates a MAGA leader, there’s nothing HitlerPig can do to get them loose, short of military force.

              It would be fun to snatch up Jr on a cocaine charge.

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                  A state will never get HitlerPig, he’s got SCOTUS immunity superpowers, but that immunity doesn’t extend to anyone else. If one of his henchmen has broken state laws, throw the state book at them.

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      Apparently this is the new trend among Sociopathic Oligarchs - having their own pet politician. Its exactly the kind of rich guybtrend they would jump on. Then they can compare their collection of politicians like kids comparing baseball or Pokemon cards.

      The goal is to be the guy who has a really high level politician on a leash. The MuskRat is clearly thebwinner here, since he owns HitlerPig, but Theil is doing pretty well by owning Vamce. Then there’s the guy who owns Clarence Thomas.

      I’ll bet Sociopathic Oligarchs all over the world are scrambling to lock up control of one politician or another.

      This is why we shouldnt allow 1) Billionaires to exist, and 2) money into politics.

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        Honestly, and I may be wrong, I think Thiel is the one who owns everybody. Musk is nothing more than the court jester and he is too narcissistic and stupid to realize how he’s as much of a puppet as trump is. Maybe even more so. Thiel is really scary because he’s actually smart enough to know how to play the game and keep a semi low profile. I think he’s happy Musk steals the show.

        It may be a conspiracy and I want to wait and see before I commit to it, but there has been some talk about how Thiel’s end goal is to destroy old civilization and create techno states where people like him are the overlords who have complete control and freedom to do as they please without any legislations and restrictions getting in their way. He has been talking about this since 2009, maybe even further back, of how he wants his own techno state that is separate from the laws of the rest of the world.

        It sounds so fucking insane to me that I haven’t really talked to anyone about it in case I’m just falling for some crazy conspiracy shit, but looking at what they have been doing since trump got into office, it certainly looks like they are in the process of actively and knowingly dismantling and destroying America. Musk said as much: that they were going to tear down and rebuild the nation. But fuck it if I know what the true end goal is. It might as well be a bunch of rich boys who have collectively lost their minds and think they are living in a cool action movie and are too stupid to understand what they are doing.

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          You are on the right track, but it isn’t Theil driving it all. Putin is the real leader, using The MuskRat and HitlerPig as his muscle, and the Sociopathic Oligarchs of the world are all following his lead. The writings of Curtis Yarvin is their Bible, who believes Democracy is a failed system, and the planet should be controlled by those with the money. Obviously, that resonates strongly with the Sociopathic Oligarchs of the world.

          But you are correct that the ultimate objective is a New World Order in which the Sociopathic Oligarchs are in complete control, not countries, and the national leaders will be on leashes held by the Sociopathic Oligarchs.

          None of this is “conspiracy theory,” they all talk about it openly. Vance, for one, quotes Yarvin often.

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    Throw the dirty immigrant deep in an El Salvadoran prison. Fucking dirtbag. Give him a taste of his own medicine.

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      It’s imperative they perp walk him through the street in chains with 20 armed police officers first. Maybe the mayor can come out for the photo op

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        The difference between luigi and whoever kills Musk is that the person who kills Musk will have had a possitive impact

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          Whoever killed that Deathcare CEO had a positive impact, then billionaires spent a lot of time and money to try to turn the narrative. Note there were a lot of conservatives that werent against it until they watched a week and a half of propaganda to find out what they believed again. I think it showed a few people that the healthcare system is flawed, and clearly the justice system is. Was it 300 million, no. Was it 3 million, maybe. Even if 1% learned something from it, I’d say that’s huge for a population this late in the capitalism game

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            UHC is as shit today as it was before. Even their aneasthesia coverage changes was basically the day after meaning they already planned the reversal beforehand.

            The Republicans who appreciate Luigi are still going to vote against fixing Healthcare next election. Nobody learned any lessons.

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            Political action time and time again is proven to expand socialized healthcare, forces insurance companies to be competitive.

            Luigi in the only test ever accomplished nothing and will never accomplish again because he is going to prison and nobody else is dumb enough to take up the mantle.

            You’re misguided for thinking murder worship opposes the injustices in healthcare industry.

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              It’s not murder to kill private sector health insurance ceos, it’s self defense. These people decide to kill people every day by denying claims and bankrupting people with poor coverage. Healthcare is a right, not something only for the wealthy. If insurance companies would stop focusing on profit, they wouldn’t be getting shot at.

              You can consider me misguided, but I don’t value your opinion—your opinion isn’t fact.

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                Even the UHC, probably rhe worst company in the US not including health sharing ministries, is a net positive compared to no health insurance. The large majority of claims get approved, wealth gets redistributed to cover those who need it.

                If people don’t want companies making massive profit of off peoples’ sickness and debts then there is a political party with that stance. But the US en masse keeps choosing suffering, choosing to create CEOs like Brian.

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                  You’re disconnected from humanity.

                  The reason private health care exists is because of greed. Most of the world has moved on to socialized healthcare of some sort. Americans have been programmed their whole lives to say “something is better than nothing.”

                  You’re blaming the people for not having better politicians? Which people? The people 60 years ago, who really are the ones that set the course we are on?

                  And you call me misguided? Who guided you into apathetically accepting that greed is the norm?

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                  You have to be fucking kidding me 😂

                  net positive compared to no health insurance

                  Let me stop you right there. Health insurance is a blight on humanity. They do NOT provide healthcare. We have invented the need for insurance, the need for an intermediary who does not have medical expertise or training to be involved in decisions about healthcare. This is not a net positive in any way. A single denied claim makes it a negative. The millions of deaths caused by insurance companies were largely preventable. For everyone keeping score at home, that does appear to me to be what we call a “net negative”, unless they provide some incredible benefit that somehow wipes that all away.

                  If people don’t want companies making massive profit of off peoples’ sickness and debts then there is a political party with that stance

                  [Citation needed]

                  But the US en masse keeps choosing suffering, choosing to create CEOs like Brian.

                  What a fucking heartless statement of victim blaming. You appear to have no intersectional understanding, and no awareness of the actual reality faced by a large majority of USians.