• @PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
    7•7 days ago

    Tribal engagement. Nice. Pretty much anyone who’s pro-Palestinian will see you saying “zionist” and whatnot, and then me disagreeing with you, and might come to the conclusion that I am on the pro-Israel side.

    Also, the wild personal attacks are a pretty solid tactic. When you come out with “piece of shit”, vaguely implied death threats, “vile”, “twatwaffle”, and whatnot, people will usually have to decide between abandoning the conversation (makes it look like you have a point), responding in kind (makes them look like an unhinged arguer-on-the-internet – this tactic worked great on FlyingSquid), or just kind of continuing to address the subject matter and ignoring it (makes them look like a pussy for sitting there and taking it). There’s not really a good option out of those for how to respond. And, whatever happens, we’ve abandoned the factual stuff we were talking about. Nice.

    The pivot to talking suddenly about an unanswerable question (what Jordan’s internal politics are) instead of the very clearly answerable one we were talking about, without any acknowledgement that we’re doing that pivot, is pretty standard fare, but in keeping with the other tactics it’s likely to be pretty effective. I like also how you’re trying to bait me into an extended discussion about whether he is or isn’t, by saying “on record,” so we can start digging through messages, as if that’s now the point of what we’re talking about all of a sudden.

    Let’s see… reframing my argument in wild incorrect ways. I’m now saying “everyone” is lying (instead of just you lying, and the other people in these comments who are clearly lying, look at the screenshot). And my proof is something totally different than the screenshot I sent. My proof is all of a sudden that he didn’t delete the article. Some kind of Uno reverse… because you lied about him deleting the article, and I pointed out that he didn’t, now you’re turning it around as being not that big a deal that he didn’t delete the article after all, and it doesn’t prove anything. Oh, also using “hellbent” to sort of emotionally load the conversation as me being the one who’s not really being logical is a good use of spin.

    Let’s see… what else? You packed a ton of stuff into some pretty short messages lol. Have you ever thought about going pro?

    • _cryptagion [he/him]English
      -2•7 days ago

      I’m now saying “everyone” is lying (instead of just you lying, and the other people in these comments who are clearly lying, look at the screenshot)

      This is as far as I got into your “well, acktually” reply. Yes, you’re saying everyone. Everyone in this thread. You also implied there’s this conspiracy to chase Jordan off Lemmy (I really hope there is), so we’ll include the supposed actors in that plot in the Everybody as well. Don’t try arguing semantics with me, your messages are right there, and you’re not very good at it.

      You typically do your best to post long, detailed messages where you argue semantics, try calling out logical fallacies, and generally try to act like a neutral, logic-driven intellectual. The problem is, none of your arguments are particularly compelling, and that tactic isn’t convincing because humans aren’t logical creatures. Everybody knows this is just a facade you’re adopting to try to make your arguments seem well reasoned, and the opposing side like an overly emotional teenager. But you see, to actually make this whole act work, you have to be clever. You’ve got to do more than repeat bullshit you read on some debate forum.

      And Phillip, you aren’t very clever.

      Now, we can be done here, or I can keep making fun of you while you make dry, long-winded replies and pat yourself on the back. But you might as well save your breath for now, because judging from how many shit takes you post in this comm, there will be plenty of times for me to embarrass you in the future.

      • @PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
        7•7 days ago

        Now, we can be done here, or I can keep making fun of you while you make dry, long-winded replies and pat yourself on the back. But you might as well save your breath for now, because judging from how many shit takes you post in this comm, there will be plenty of times for me to embarrass you in the future.

        Confident assertion! I knew I was missing one. You just need to show super conviction about your side.

        you’re not very good at it

        none of your arguments are particularly compelling

        Everybody knows this is just a facade you’re adopting

        This one is pretty rarely seen: Negging. I don’t think I’ve seen it done on Lemmy before in exactly this way.