Every time I go to the piefed frontpage I’m blown away by how much more polished it is. It has all the bells and whistles that lemmy is sometimes missing.
Whats the catch? Why aren’t we recommending everyone goes to piefed instead of lemmy?
App support is one thing I can think of.
Why aren’t we suggesting Mbin over Lemmy, actually? Because it seems like it has the same options. And Mbin even has an app (not just the PWA function)!
There’s quite a few nice apps for Lemmy. I’m using Connect for Lemmy on android and it’s wonderful.
Oh, I’m aware that both Lemmy and Mastodon have good apps. I’m just pointing out that if the ‘argument’ is that alternatives don’t have an app, MBin does have one.
…for Android. Nothing for iOS.
True, MBin is small so I’m not surprised they cater to the bigger platform.
On Android, software can be made with free tools, released on Github/Gitlab/Forgejo/etc, and pushed into an F-Droid repo. Heck, you might not even need the F-Droid side, you can just throw an APK up at your free host of choice. Plus, I don’t think there’s a language restriction in terms of what can be compiled for Android (I’ll make my ignorance known here). Apple is not an open platform. One language is accepted, they have one way to develop software, one (overstuffed) place to download that software from. It is much more difficult to develop an app for iOS compared to Android. And if you try to monetize it, people will use a PWA.
To make it clear, this is not meant to be a debate on Apple. This is just my take on why free fediverse software is much more likely to show up on Android.
Agreed.
You may not be from the US, but in the US smartphone market, as of late 2024, iOS (Apple) holds a larger market share than Android, with iOS at around 58% and Android at 42%.
I’m the developer of Interstellar, and I am actually from the US. iOS support is something I’d like to add, but is not the priority. @Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org made many good points about it not catering towards FOSS projects, but I’d also like to add, it costs $100 every single year in order to have an Apple developer account, which is required if you want to publish anything to the Apple App Store. Additionally, Apple’s very expensive hardware is required in order to build and release any Apple software, which I do not own.
All that to say, I’d like to support iOS and macOS platforms, but Apple makes it extremely difficult (and costly) for that to happen. Why should I have to pay $100 every year in order to publish a free app that I’m not even making any money off of?
Man, that all makes perfect sense, and I appreciate the reply. Thanks for laying out the challenges for a small dev to develop for iOS.
I actually like the look of Mbin and Piefed, but like I said, I use Voyager to surf Lemmy a lot of the time, and Voyager doesn’t support Mbin/Piefed. I’d be willing to try and maybe switch to a different app, but there’s currently no iOS app for either. I’m not above using a PWA, but the Piefed instance I signed up to doesn’t even offer an actual PWA, but just a bookmark that opens Piefed in a Safari tab.
So, to bring it back to the original question, that’s the reasons that Piefed is a no-go for me.
I’m not, I was talking worldwide.
The US isn’t the only country, and I bet people using the fediverse skew heavily toward android in the US anyway.
I wasn’t trying to be derogatory, I know that outside the US Android is the dominant platform, but in the US it’s iOS. (I actually thought the percentage of iOS users would have been a little higher.)
That’s an interesting assumption that the Fediverse skews Android, I’d like to see some numbers on that.
Valid point
I don’t really have a positive thing to say about people who want to stick to Apple as their primary device ecosystem.
If you want to debate Apple, start another thread. This post is about Mbin and Piefied, and for me, I use Voyager on iOS to surf Lemmy. I don’t want to switch to or recommend Mbin or Piefied if there’s not an app for it and the best I can do is a PWA.
Don’t try to hijack the thread to push your anti Apple agenda. You can dislike Apple all you want, just not in this thread.
This post is not about Mbin, only about Piefed (not Piefied).
Don’t try to tell people what they can or can not talk about in this thread while disregarding it yourself.
Woooo boy you told me! 🙄
Actually this thread is about Piefed (spelled correctly just for you), not correcting people who are correcting people, so now you’re in the wrong.
You’ll excuse me, but my eyes rolled so hard, I have to go try to get them back to the front.
Very good.
Mbin has Interstellar, it’s pretty good.
It really is, from my limited use. I use the PWA on my (very old) phone and Firefox on desktop. But I like Interstellar.
Yes, you are right. Mbin is far more advanced than Lemmy. And PieFed more avanced than Lemmy, less then Mbin.
There are lot neat features in Mbin and PieFed so i wish we consider all options before pushing Lemmy everywhere. I also wish more app support from both of them.
I wish we try to remain neutral because, i strongly believe that the 3 softwares can inspire each other.
Totally agree with you that everyone in the fediverse should be working together. Especially the amazing devs.
Interstellar works with PieFed now although the API it uses is only enabled on one instance https://preferred.social/ as we’re still testing it out.
Is Interstellar support complete? I thought it was still in alpha/beta phase
Definitely alpha, yeah. But moving fast!
again, the apps are the killer.
iirc, piefed’s api is very similar to lemmy’s, so apps could support both.