I assume they’re not that big into politics and just wanna appear moderate.
Racist. It’s always dogwhistle racism.
I think they’re a goddamn idiot. I like it more when people tell me that they don’t have enough time to think about this shit and so they don’t have an opinion.
“I dont mind the gays, but I keep voting for Fascists because right wing talking points about how Unions make the prices of eggs go up.”
I prefer to use the term fiscally responsible.
It’s fiscally irresponsible to cut taxes for the billionaires and corporations when we have record deficits.
It’s fiscally irresponsible to cut the IRS budget when that results in less revenue.
Republican voters have been brainwashed into thinking that Republicans are somehow more responsible with the economy and budget, when history shows that Republicans drive up the deficit with irresponsible tax cuts.
It’s irresponsible to cut taxes and not cut spending.
Edit: spending more than yu take in creates debt and that is not responsible
Not related. It’s not a zero sum game. Spending on certain things can save money and allow for tax cuts, tax cuts can create business growth or income in other ways and allow more spending. Defering tax cuts to a certain time or spending to a certain time can lead to better results, ect ect ect.
Anyone who thinks it’s linked and must be Tax up=Spending up or Tax down=Spending down should probably not even be in charge of their own homes finances. Even children are taught how to save their allowance over time and then spend it, and I had occasion as a child to “borrow” my allowance to purchase a toy that was on sale.
Nothing about my statement is even slightly controversial from a finance or economic standpoint. If you know you are taking in less money from a tax cut then you should not spend more as you will increase your debt.
Unless spending more upfront reduces the debt overall in the medium or longer term.
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“I believe good things but don’t want to actually sacrifice anything or be responsible for any of my actions that my prevent good things from happening”
As someone who said this when they were younger
“Uninformed idiot”
now that I’m older I’m fully liberal since i am more informed.
But don’t you know? YoU’Ll gEt mOrE cOnSeRvAtIvE aS yOu AgE! Biggest fucking lie of my life.
Same here.
Someone who is a conservative who has a gay friend or a gay kid that they love and accept.
Barely even that. Someone who likes marijuana is more likely.
I’ll agree with this too.
“I pay lip service to minorities, but don’t want to allocate resources to their needs”
I don’t want to be included with the rest of the domestic terrorists in my political party.
“I’m an uninformed idiot.”
Conservatives are fiscally reckless. Look at every conservative president’s deficit spending, and economic crashes. Look at the states most dependent on federal funds.
Even if you had zero morals and voted 100% on fiscal policies, the best choice is very clearly not conservative.
I link this article every time the discussion comes up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party
The first paragraph is a doozy.
Hence why republicans want to get rid of Wikipedia. For all of its faults they generally do a decent job of going slash and burn on any editors that cannot fully back themselves up or have clear political alegances.
Seeing the complete flopping of conservapedia, of course they want to get rid of it.
Anything that keeps a clear record of what people say or believe in, without that changing based on someone’s mood on a particular day is going to be a flop on that side of the spectrum.
I love yelling at my Facebook “friend” whenever gas prices go up a cent now. Under Biden it was all the damn time he’d cry about that but never acknowledged of it went down.
MUH EGGZ
Poes Law very much applies, but I’m pretty sure Conservapedia is a troll. Just look at their list of “Greatest Conservative Songs”.
it ain’t even edit protected
Having grown up in a conservative household in a red state (US), and having thought this as I transitioned away to more liberal stances as I learned more about the world, I have to say: Spot on. I was an uninformed idiot.
The worst idiots are the ones who never admit when they’re wrong. Having the backbone to admit an error, change, and and move on speaks volumes.
True, I went through that phase as well. It usually came with a side of insecurity. Just happy to have grown in more than just age.
Don’t confuse “Republican” with “conservative”, especially on economic matters. Republicans are historically economically liberal, ie. they are for unregulated markets. A fiscal conservative likes to cut spending, yes, but not to cut revenue.
Not even economically liberal, just irresponsible and corrupt.
That’s kinda the inevitable result of economic liberalism, especially with the added zest of corporate personhood.
Does the fact that American “conservative” politicians are lying about it make it an invalid position to take?
Look, I think there is something to it, but you really have to give details. I’m good with free access to healthcare, good with people marrying whoever they want (over the age of 18), transgender rights, etc.
All of that. I love it all. But I’d rather not be taxed to hell and have those funds horribly mis managed. I’m okay with taxes but I know there is so much waste with my funds. That’s where I’d like improvement. I suppose in some eyes that would make me slightly fiscally conservative.
No, that means you just like a functioning government. That has nothing to do with fiscal conservatism.
If you were a fiscal conservative, you would be against spending any money on healthcare, let alone giving “free access” to everyone.
Is it guaranteed they’re voting conservative when they say that?
“Socially liberal” right up until the point that we start talking about worker’s rights, the dignity of poor people, and the exploitation of cheap slave labor on the other side of the world
“I vote Republican, but I’m self-aware enough to know that I should be embarrassed about it.” (In the US)
I’ve heard it more the exact opposite way. “I vote Democrat but I am really tired liberals doing nothing to curb government corruption or tax the rich more.”
Eliminating corruption is not “fiscally conservative,” it’s just fiscally responsible. Same with taxing the rich.
“We should run the government like a business!”
Then why cut revenue as soon as you take power?
Yeah. A lot of folks I’ve met view it as fiscally conservative though.
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If they’re American I would point out that they have no representation for their conservative views because there is no fiscally conservative party in the United States.
I always just reference this article:
https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225
And say the modern Republican party started with Nixon.
So many people with such brutal takes on it – helps to quantify who the audience is on lemmy I guess.
Socially liberal fiscally conservative, to me at least, means that the person is in favour of equality in the sense of equality of treatment from the government, but is not in favour of additional big spending projects to try and have equality of opportunity. They’re pro-choice, but likely against the government funnelling money into providing abortions for women (so abortions available, but not gov subsidized). They’re pro-trans rights in terms of being fine with whoever doing whatever they want with their body/partners of choice, but against government paying for trans-specific gender affirming procedures and parades to highlight those groups. They’re in favour of things like universal medicare/dental care, because those programs are shown to be a net benefit fiscally and socially.
In general, they support socially progressive ideas, so long as they’re fiscally costed out and beneficial to the public purse. They’re against increased government spending / reach, preferring ‘small government’, with the social components placed more on individuals to fund directly.
They’re in favour of things like universal medicare/dental care, because those programs are shown to be a net benefit fiscally and socially.
I’ve never met someone who was “socially liberal fiscally conservative” who believed this.
They’re usually pro good things, but they don’t want to pay for them, so they’re not actually pro those things at all.
“Small government” and “private individuals will handle it” typically means it just won’t happen.
For starters, the question wasn’t, as far as I know, asking how the ideology / stance fairs in terms of implementation / reality. Like you can give a description of what a communist believes, without having to try and explain Communist Russia / China.
In terms of medicare/dental care, yes, there are soc lib fisc con people that do believe that. Likely not people in the USA, where everything skews right wing – their soc lib is more like “I have a black friend! I’m not racist!”. In more sane countries, there are a good number of people who fall into that ideological mindset, who do support public utilities/health initiatives – it’s pretty common here in Canada, based on people I’ve spoken with.
Like a soc lib fisc con person I know, has previously suggested that we ought to change how roads / cars are handled – arguing that cities shouldn’t have anywhere near as many cars, and that common “paved” roads should be essentially relegated to highways/freeways due to the cost and ecological impact. In their take, city budgets are often bloated by road repair costs due to the over-engineering of what’s required for regular residential activity. Using other road materials would dramatically increase sustainability – and even if it results in more ‘maintenance’ cost/road tolls for car users who still insist on using cars, that’s up to the consumer. I don’t know if they were talking nonsense, but that’s the sort of thing I sometimes hear people in the soc lib fisc con camp say.
I suppose you this touches on how I’m in the US, where everything is skewed towards insane nonsense. It would be extremely unusual to find a conservative of any sort here that would support anything remotely anti-car, for example. Even if it would save money.
Yeah, it’s not too surprising that it’ll have slightly different contexts in different regions.
