Slave markets in Libya… hmm I wonder which country killed the previous multi decade leader throwing it into destabilization

Kinda hilariously ironic to bring that up when trying to deflect blame from Europeans for slavery

Crazy that the “Ukraine” country account would even take the time to give this a thought considering their ongoing situation.

Like, just being real, they are currently in “there are massively bigger things to deal with right now” territory as a nationstate. If I ran that account and was physically in Ukraine I’d be spending my “shitposting” time shitposting my way out of there to literally anywhere else. Just filling out visa applications to random countries everyday.

Is AMD woke because their CEO is (or was) a woman?

Anyway, reddit is reactionary as fuck, but it does kinda seem like the “OMG YOURE SO WOKE” shit is dying off finally.

When the far right wasn’t literally holding all the power they could make some believable attempt at whining that the “wokies” were making everything bad.

Now even the dumbest of the dumdums has to contend with the reality that “Well, Trump pretty effectively “unwokified” the fed government.” All the “woke” social media companies dropped their pro-LGBTQ+ and pro-inclusion stuff too.

Yet eggs are still like $8/dozen. Housing is still unaffordable for millions of people, mostly “young” people (under like 40). The price of, I dunno, commodities like consumer GPUs has still not returned to a pre-covid normal (and never will- due to policy from their favorite God Emperor)

Perhaps eventually they’ll shift from petty manufactured grievances to “real shit.” I’m not holding much hope of that happening any time soon. It’ll probably take them not having a house for stuff to kick in. Since Americans are just that selfish. “If it doesn’t directly affect me or my family then, meh 🤷‍♂️” pretty much explains the actions and thoughts of 99% of hoglets. Trump seems to be trying his hardest to force the material conditions upon the hoggery to cause change. I don’t think that change will be positive… but he’s definitely doing something their porcine minds.

They act like Afghanistan didn’t shift into Ukraine immediately

If Ukraine is ended, there will be something to replace it

Not to mention, capital flows across the world. As the US empire continues to wind down, capitalists will be more than happy to invest anywhere they can make money. Capital fled Europe to the US before. It stands to reason it will (or already is/has) flee to Asian in whatever form.

The CIA stuff only holds up insofar as the executive or those in charge are actively defying the wishes of capital(ists) not so much whatever random warhawks on Fox and MSNBC are hyping up this week, month or year. If Trump sat down with the biggest capitalists (and he has the richest assclown in the world as his sort of “shadow president” currently- so, yes, he has sat down with them plenty) and they said “you can nix Ukraine. We have plans in…” where ever. Then that’s what’s happening. Or maybe Trump is bucking their wishes- for the moment. But they know they can rope him into another conflict so they don’t care. Let the losing narrative die and move on to something fresh.

There’s honestly too many unknowns for anyone not at his cabinet meetings or in his bed at night watching his little fingers text back and forth to “know” the full situation. If the libs truly believe that the president of the US isn’t ultimately bound by the wishes of the ultra wealthy capitalists, well, I want to try some of the crack they’re on.

The 1990s-famously known for BiH having a GREAT time! Definitely no wars during the breakup of Yugoslavia that resulted in multiple genocides (many unrecognized officially, but horrific mass murders no matter how you slice it)

A decade+ ago you would be correct

Unfortunately due to Kermit the fucking Frog (Peterson), and others in right wing areas online, this type of “The Soviets were actually worse than the Nazis!” shit has become far, far more widespread than I would’ve thought possible a decade ago. Americans and even now Western Europeans have rewritten history… the implications are “pretty fucking bad” to put it lightly.

I hate the Hitlerite wormhole these guys send me down.

His name is either a self deprecating or racist invocation of the stereotype about “Jews having big noses” (schnoz=nose, stein=Stereotypical Jewish last name)

Then I have to go sigh… well, go on. Tell me what happened in 1657…

First result: “Cromwell Grants Rights to English Jews”

Oh. Ok. Well, that actually sounds positive. Although if you’re an antisemite that would be the exact opposite of positive.

I could probably keep digging and find if online Nazis have a specific gripe with Cromwell because of this event. But I think I’ll pass.

Based on his statement that living in the 19(?)50s would be great, I will go ahead and take a big stab in the dark and assume he isn’t Jewish. Because although the way Jews were treated was beginning to improve in the US (another thing I don’t know) and in Europe, it was still a pretty bad time to be Jewish and remained so until, I dunno, into the 1960s and 1970s.

I’m just gonna conclude “Nazi moron” and move on to save my braincells further

It’s one of those weird things that sometimes I feel like I have arcane knowledge of… when I explain this stuff to people I feel like they probably either think I’m making it up or, probably a legitimate thing to wonder, ask themselves why the fuck I know these weirdos inside and out. I, too, wish I knew that…

as I get older I notice I like to play like “the archivist” role and just recount the most insane shit I read online 20 years ago. Can’t wait until my niece and any other kids my brother might have are old enough to hear their insane uncle tell them about turn of the century Nazi memes

It’s been a very far right, literal Nazi, meme-but-not-a-meme thing (if you ever see how the groypers act, you know what I mean. “It’s all a joke wink wink!” (Hint: it is not a joke)) since, well, forever. It’s less about Israel as a nationstate doing 9/11 and more specifically about “the Jews” doing 9/11. But Israel goes out of its way to equate Israel with all Jewish people, boosting this type of antisemitism as people constantly warn about. So, Nazis just use Israel/Zionist/Jew all interchangeably depending on the layer of mask they want to wear.

And, yes, believing “the Jewish cabal” did 9/11 or whatever is a conspiracy theory so stupid that it is laughable. That’s probably why it doesn’t catch much mainstream right wing (but not quite explicitly Nazi) favor. But hey, today is a new day, imagine the Mein Kampfs that could be written… (oh god…)

The actual origin, in this case, is irrelevant. We all understand that, I think. Unless you’re talking to someone who supports French monarchy, I dunno, maybe then it matters.

Anyway, removing American-centric politics from the discussion which defines “left” as anything that helps people and right as anything that harms… or pro-business as they’d prefer to define that. Both are extremely far right wing, pro-capitalist…

It’s just the definition that has emerged over time. Again, ignoring the irrelevant jabbering of US and other western ally media bullshit, it’s extremely clear that the US state and allies actually agrees with the generally understood definition. The republicans and such will call Harris a commie or whatever, but the US state loves someone like her in power elsewhere if she can hold the power. Typically it requires more militaristic, further right wing leaders unafraid to do horrible things. However, the moment someone who is “left wing” aka anti-capitalist/anti-imperialist comes along, well that’s unacceptable obviously, and opposition mounts. Not because of their “woke” beliefs (or lack thereof) but always always always because of their anti-capitalist beliefs. Specifically the abolition of private property and land ownership being huge “no nos” to capitalists.

So it’s a definition that has arisen due to reality. The further you are from supporting capitalism, supporting private property ownership and capital accumulation, the further left wing you are understood to be and the more the forces of capital will oppose your existence as a implicit threat to their own existence.

It’s more than just vibes. It’s backed up by the reality. I could also define it as “left wing means anti-US imperialism.” The more left wing you are considered to be, the more you oppose the US due to imperialism (capitalism), thus you are an anti-imperialist and anti-capitalist.

Right wing is an alignment with capitalism and imperialism. Devotees and adherents to the US as it exists and has existed since the beginning but especially the last 100-150 years or so are absolutely pro-capitalist, pro-imperialist, opposed to the left wing (they say this themselves) communists or anti-imperialists.

That’s how I see it anyway. My view isn’t unique or special. Maybe the word strict wasn’t the best, but, it’s a comment made on my phone when I should be doing other things. I’m willing to insert the word “general” or “understood” or whatever in its place, but I maintain the original thoughts. Which was more of a rant/stating the obvious anyway.

Which is just more-left liberalism (to the socdems part). They still believe in capitalism.

I will concede, however, that perhaps my own bias slipped in because I consider socdems to be “the ideal liberal”. But of course that’s my own personal belief and doesn’t define the entire spectrum.

I think the issue we often find is most people (in the first world anyway, voices I hear all the time) are liberals. They believe firmly in capitalism and most of them believe in some social safety nets- the dispute is how much and what type of nets. Never a dispute of support of capitalism though. Even amongst the people like Bernie or whatever

By strict definition, “left” means anti-capitalist and “right” is (pro)capitalist

Liberals believe in capitalism just with some guardrails. Emphasis on civil liberties and such. But heavier emphasis on the rights and validity of private property ownership (key to capital accumulation, after all)

To be “on the left” you absolutely have to reject that latter part. You don’t believe in private property ownership for the purposes of enriching individuals/small groups of owners of property. You believe in more equal distributions of property whether it’s shared worker ownership where everyone is “invested” in the company and there’s less of an owner dynamic more of “guy who leads” but isn’t a dictator. Co-operatives basically. Or you believe in more radical, even further anti-capitalist things like there is should be no ownership of private property at all by anyone even the workers. It all belongs to everyone and is held in common by a central power, a state government, that doesn’t seek profits but only the production of commodities for survival and betterment of the citizens’ lives.

Obviously there’s room for muddying things because there’s a lot of ideas on how to run shit, whatever, but ultimately any dipshit America (always Americans for some reason…) who goes on about “Kommunist Kamala” or “Chairman Joe” is dumber than rocks or just trying to score easy rhetorical points. FDR was the most anti-capitalist US president and he was still right wing. A liberal through and through. He was never going to seize entire industries, all of them, and put capitalists out on the street or make them work for a living.

These Nazis, because that’s what they are let’s just be honest, are so insanely far right that in their view anything, literally anything, that is done by the government is communism. Or rather, they want people to think they believe that. Basically libertarianism or “absolute minimum government regulations and controls on everything.” They pretend to believe that, usually, yet support tons of government organizations or agencies. Just the anti-labor, anti-human rights ones like cops, US military, intelligence agencies, law enforcement generally, stricter judicial system with open discrimination against non-whites and non-US citizens, etc. All government powers, but somehow not communism when it benefits capitalists. The irony being this stuff also harms these hogs, but, they won’t figure that out until it’s far too late.

The truth that the commenter doesn’t want to accept, but I point out whenever I can, is they are also a liberal. They’re much further right wing, they would flip to fascist at a finger snap, but they’re core beliefs are absolutely just liberal regarding the economy and how the government should interact with the private sector, etc. I just call “conservatives” and republicans “far right liberals” because 1) it’s totally accurate and 2) it pisses them the fuck off. The truth hurts I guess. Maybe they’ll go read some shit in their anger to “prove” me wrong and accidentally learn something. Doubtful, but who knows.

Putin is a reactionary, for sure. A proud capitalist. He’s proclaimed himself such many times during interviews and such. Calling him a Nazi is just ignorance at best, falling directly into Western propaganda more likely.

I don’t like Putin. I don’t think he’s a moral or “good” man. But that doesn’t make him a Nazi.

As for the Ukrainian military, were you in a coma for 2 years? 10 years? It’s been a well established undisputed fact by everyone, including the Azov guys, that they are fans of the Nazis, wear their symbols proudly, etc. This doesn’t make every Ukrainian a Nazi. It doesn’t mean Putin is truthful in his desire to rid Ukraine of Nazis. But you can’t just deny the existence, the proud existence, of Nazi elements in Ukraine and the Ukrainian diaspora. Like actual, legitimate, swatiska and SS lightning bolt wearing Nazis not just generic fascists. You have to be actively ignorant to miss this for like 2.5 years of war and troop footage.

Without being “overly fair” to these weirdos (the drawn cp tax folder fans) republicans were, perhaps still are(?), explicitly talking about literally invading Mexico to “bomb the cartel.”

Here’s just one article of many

I never took them saying that stuff, above, as the same as bombing like asylum seekers or agricultural migrants, etc. They would love to do both, but they are technically different things under the umbrella of “hoggery”

Btw that article is fucking insane. The fact it exists, the fact that the people take these statements seriously and don’t say “we would disobey that obviously moronic and illegal command and instead arrest any dumbass who tried to do it.” It’s just literally insane. I am forced to self-censor further feelings.

I’d have to find the scholar’s name (very lazy) but there was a guy who is an expert on Ukrainian history who did the rounds obviously two years ago but also years before the current major conflict.

Anyway, IIRC he was saying pretty bluntly that yes, Azov are Nazis, there’s no point in denying it, and before the current war it was very commonly written about. I remember reading or hearing about those papers myself. It was also a common criticism of the Ukrainian diaspora that they were always trying to honor their great “war hero” grandfather or great uncle, etc. who turned out to be literally in the SS or something.

Since the current stuff began, however, he was saying people who were going to be conscripted may have run to join Azov for a pretty simple reason that Azov was known as the crazy Nazi guys, but they also had organization and presented themselves as professional soldiers. Which could be appealing to random young guys who either want to join or know they will soon be compelled to join. They want to join the most elite, best trained unit so the chances of dying are minimal.

Maybe that’s wishful thinking, maybe it’s running a bit of cover for Nazis, I dunno. It’s pretty clear Ukraine has had and still has a problem with these Nazi militias. Russia invading doesn’t magically make the Nazis not Nazis like the liberal media has been insisting. It’s also hard for me to imagine a young person who, benefit of the doubt, may have legitimately just been running to what they saw as the strongest group around not adopting the ideology of that group over 2.5 years of fighting. So it kinda doesn’t matter why they initially joined. If they’re running around with Nazi tattoos or uniforms with the SS lightning bolts… maybe they weren’t Nazis at the end of 2021, but they are now.

I watched it while multitasking, but my best summary would be… if you have a highly reactionary person you want to slowly bring back from the brink, maybe this is methadone for them? To help wean them off liberalism. But that’s rather generous really.

The creator hits a few more nuances than most liberals would. Acknowledgment that US imperialism is bad, although he does give a semi-mocking tone to this so I’m not totally sure of his opinions on it. I think he’s kind of right that some “leftists” (or whatever they are. Maybe actually leftists) go too far in “defending” the DPRK. Again, my stance is basically “you don’t need to “defend” anything. Just analyze it as factually as possible. And before any real analysis can be done in the case of DPRK there is a pre-requisite that almost no one except those on the left will meet- acknowledge that the USA totally destroyed the infrastructure there, sanctioned them for about 75 years now, and has done everything in its power to force its citizens to die or live lives of extreme poverty.”

If this resulted in some “quirky” behavior, hey, no fucking shit?

Maybe that seems like a cop out or whatever to “avoid” real discussion, but I’d just reply with “no, I’ll discuss any negatives or positives of the government of DPRK, right after we discuss the incredible hardships they’ve been forced to endure mostly at the hands of the Japanese empire and then immediately after the American empire.” You can’t discuss any country in a bubble or vacuum. You can I guess, but your analysis is immediately flawed and probably just bullshit.

So the creator is like a couple ticks down from typical libs on “let’s nuke DPRK immediately” (he also denies that western powers have desired to destroy DPRK for… 70 years which was weird as fuck. He thinks it’s wrong to say them having nukes keep them safe from invasion which is objectively true. Unless I misunderstood some point he was making).

Still shit. Still a reactionary saying things. Appropriately placed content.

Video seems well made and watchable so far. My only thought with DPRK discussions by anyone, regardless of their opinions on the government there, is “are they even aware of the history of the Korean Peninsula and why the northern part has been so isolated since the 1950s onward?”

The creator included a small clip of Lex Friedman (sp?) at the beginning (he was mocking Lex) saying the DPRK had massive famine in the 1990s… Lex blames the leadership in the DPRK, which sure probably deserved blame, but I wonder if Lex is aware of some other major events that happened in the early 1990s that devastated allied countries like DPRK and Cuba… hmm… perhaps the dissolution of a superpower that was competing with the USA and was supporting countries the USA was purposely fucking? Hmmmmm (yes Lex knows this of course. His family was from the USSR. He’s just a right wing asshole)

That’s my major issue with discussion though. Especially from Americans and most Western Europeans they will never ever admit that the USSR was good in many respects one of which was helping countries like the DPRK avoid famine while the US was busy trying to cause famine. They’re incapable of putting aside reactionary ideology and hatred for socialism to see that, no, it wasn’t just that the DPRK has a cult leader who hoarded all the food (or whatever right wingers think) it’s that the US was purposely starving an entire nation, the USSR (and others) were helping prevent that catastrophe, and with the dissolution and chaos in Russia post-USSR, of fucking course countries that depended on it for trade were left fucked over.

It’s like if China just went poof tomorrow and had a decade of extreme instability, Americans would have no cheaply made commodities, and surely this would result in bad things like lack of medical supplies and stuff. Would some future-Lex in 30 years say “wow. What happened in 2024 to America? It was Trump. He hoarded all the needles and destroyed them.” It’s just such birdbrain shit and lack of logic because at all costs they must never even accidentally acknowledge that the USSR did good things and had trade agreements that benefited other nations. Like that is just too hard for them. It’s just sad and pathetic. Makes it hard to disagree with Putin when he criticizes Americans for knowing nothing. He might be an asshole, he might be doing a creative reading of history at times, but at least he has knowledge of stuff.

I genuinely really don’t understand how people listen to these embarrassing dumbasses such as Vaush and Destiny

I have to skip anything with them in it for the most part even if I’m interested in hearing others involved. Their presence ruins everything

I honestly thought this guy did a Jonestown thing already years ago when his 2 mins of being the annoying twitter guy dried up

1. why is there a “Marxism” quora? Nvm, just seems to be super far right Nazis dedicated to “telling the truth” about the evils of Judeo-Bols-- I mean, Cultural-Marxism!

2. there is NO WAY the guy who commented about Bolivia and Venezuela isn’t directly employed by the CIA. You could tie me to a chair and blowtorch my balls for a week and I’d never believe that guy isn’t an agent

“Of course the pro-Palestinians support Hamas, a terrorist group! Oh by, here are some random examples, that we aren’t currently and in the past trying to undermine: lists every coup target of the US imperial state”

Like, come the fuck on. CIA needs to step the shit up. (Or, don’t, but you get my meaning)